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Maverick

08-03-2008, 17:24

We had a rolling road session today with the VxlSCC at Northampton motorsport, quite pleased with the results.

BSR claim for the 1.9 CDTi 150, 185bhp and 300lb/ft.

My results were as follows :-

193.6bhp @ 3699rpm
308.7lb/ft @ 2861rpm

So BSR are a little conservative with what they publish and it is nice to see a re-map actually getting a little more that they advertise.

I did actually put the car on a different rolling road a few weeks back, but wanted to wait until today to compare figures.

The figures last time were :-

195.1bhp and 305.9 lb/ft. so I am happy that the figures should be about right. Interestly enough, my Vectra with an EDS map never got near these figures. So a happy bunny

AJA

08-03-2008, 21:48

Nice one Matt. I bet you're very happy. :)

Ray

08-03-2008, 21:51

Good results mate

MikeyNI

08-03-2008, 22:21

Good job m8, nice result there! (Y)

Maverick

08-03-2008, 22:34

Nice one Matt. I bet you're very happy. :)

I am pleased. Thats it now though, no point in trying for any more, I think any more and it won't be nice to drive.

spamiser

08-03-2008, 23:58

glad to hear you got good results :thumbs:

AJA

09-03-2008, 00:42

I am pleased. Thats it now though, no point in trying for any more, I think any more and it won't be nice to drive.

I know what you mean matey, my Vec C was 202bhp & 304lbft and was an animal to drive. As you and others will be aware less power can mean more speed, if you see what I mean.

Maverick

09-03-2008, 10:14

I know what you mean matey, my Vec C was 202bhp & 304lbft and was an animal to drive. As you and others will be aware less power can mean more speed, if you see what I mean.

I Know what you mean, my afira for example, was circa 265bhp, which to be honest was a little too much for the chassis, but it still out ran other Zafira's of much more power and torque.

MikeWarner

09-03-2008, 11:09

Good results, but who are BSR?

Maverick

09-03-2008, 11:30

BSR are a swedish company who offer re-maps, it is a very interesting story

Once apon a time...... Just kidding! The three main/popular software suppliers in the UK are Klassen (Courtenay), EDS (VXR PC & Regal) and BSR.

The owners of Klassen, EDS and BSR all apparently used to work together for Bosch doing the software for Opel, when they left they all set up their own companies.

BSR did the software for the Koinigseggg or how ever you pronounce it! If you get in touch with Steve at LMF, he could supply you with one, it is a brilliant system as you get a hand held PPC unit which holds both your modified and standard maps and you can swap and change in just a couple of minutes.

09-03-2008, 11:33

EDS supply the original software for the remap I'm getting in the next few weeks. EDS base map, tweaked on the rollers. Can't wait! :mrgreen:

spamiser

10-03-2008, 00:20

Maverick

10-03-2008, 20:05

is that just for diesels?

They also do Astra H 2.0 Turbo cars, Z20LEL Z20 LER, Z20 LET on the way along with 1.6 Turbo.

spamiser

10-03-2008, 20:09

ok, that rules me out, i got a 1.8 :lol:

Ben Sewell

26-03-2008, 18:07

Hi Maverick,

Good results!

Out of interest how much does the BSR system cost?

And is it an easy system to install or do BSR have to do it?

Cheers.

Gadget

26-03-2008, 18:43

it is a brilliant system as you get a hand held PPC unit which holds both your modified and standard maps and you can swap and change in just a couple of minutes.

Mav i stil dont get WHY ??? you would want to swap your maps around , seriously i dont get it , i drive on UK roads with other traffic , if i feel spirited and the road conditions allow i hit sport and i brum brum along

what possible reason would i want to swap the maps , i have a Vx Astra not a track day car

please enlighten me as i seem to be missing the point :confused:

Maverick

26-03-2008, 21:07

Mav i stil dont get WHY ??? you would want to swap your maps around , seriously i dont get it , i drive on UK roads with other traffic , if i feel spirited and the road conditions allow i hit sport and i brum brum along

what possible reason would i want to swap the maps , i have a Vx Astra not a track day car

please enlighten me as i seem to be missing the point :confused:

It is purely a benefit of being able to put your car back to standard for when it goes in for servicing etc. Whether your on standard or BSR, the sport button still works in the same way.

I just like this as an option.

Hi Maverick,

Good results!

Out of interest how much does the BSR system cost?

And is it an easy system to install or do BSR have to do it?

Cheers.

I think it is around £550 all in, you get the system, log on to BSR's website and they will sycronise your PPC with BSR, then plug it into the OBD port, read the ECU and syncronice again 24hrs later you sycronise again and both maps are on your PPC. Very Very easy.

Gadget

26-03-2008, 23:48

£550 to be able to put a map back IF it ever gets over writen :o:o

blimey you must be rich , dont most tuners who supply maps re-apply if they get over writen by a main dealer either by accident or due to software upgrade ??? and surely a plug and play system like DTUK`s or Thurlbys would be alot cheaper AND can be sold on again if the car was ever sold

sorry but i stil dont see the benifits of the BSA systen you have , just seems like a lot of dosh for something that can be done alot cheaper elsewhere with a gauranteed return when finished with

i think i`m right in saying your system is also locked to the car so cant be used on another vehicle ...apologies if i`m wrong there :)

oh well , each to there own i guess , we are all different and it would be a sad world if we were all the same , agreed ?? :)

Maverick

27-03-2008, 08:38

If it gets over written by the dealer during servicing, BSR will re-instate the map FOC, just like all other tuners. I never said it would be £550 each time, £550 is the price for the intitial purchase.

From what you are saying, you don't see the benefits in 'any' re-map? The BSR system is no different in terms of application to EDS/Courtenay etc. Also it does look like BSR will allow you to take the unit with you to your next car for a small charge to re-calibrate the system to your next car. This has to be confirmed though.

Yes plug and play systems are easy, but personally, I would rather not rely on a system that purely fools the management system into thinking fuel pressure has not been reached and to increase it to gain more power/torque. I prefer the fact that a re-map uses boost pressure, injector timing and fueling to make the increase's whilst keeping all the safety parameters in place within the management system. This is why boxed cars appear to get slightly higher figures on a rolling road than mapped cars, but on the open road it is a different story.

But your right, life would be boring if we all stayed the same;):)

eXceed

27-03-2008, 23:28

As far as I'm aware the BSR system can be updated and all that.. So if any tweaks can be made then you can simply update, seems worthy of it's price :).

asm61

27-03-2008, 23:38

Nice how big was the smile on your face :D

Ben Sewell

28-03-2008, 12:34

Hi Maverick,

The system sounds good! Do you have a graph of the power curve?

Maverick

29-03-2008, 20:09

Hi Maverick,

The system sounds good! Do you have a graph of the power curve?

Yes I do, I will try to scan them in post them up.

Maverick

29-03-2008, 20:23

ABYSS

29-03-2008, 20:30

Here you go.

Power Curve 193.6bhp

http://www.vauxhallsportscarclub.co.u k/members/gallery/images/1000028d.jpg

Torque Curve 308.7lb/ft

http://www.vauxhallsportscarclub.co.u k/members/gallery/images/1000028a.jpg

These are the results from late 2006 also taken from Northampton Motorsport :)

well one thing is for sure Matt, the BSR curve is better than the EDS/T8 map ;) tis more like the CRD2 ;)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/ABYSS69/888/T8vsCRD23.jpg

192bhp and 308lbft for the T8

200.5bhp and 313.7lbft for the CRD2... :P:headspin::hyper::kissit: :kissit:

Maverick

29-03-2008, 20:36

It feels better on the road as well Andy, alot smoother and more factory like that what I experienced with the EDS map.

ABYSS

29-03-2008, 20:41

Me speaking as me, not me of DTUK would have to agree with you... The CRD2/BSR is deffo stronger for longer than the EDS map...

I wouldnt mind going back to NMS as i have a feeling the latest "Mickie map" ive wrtten for the CRD2 will cut the torque back below 2,000 rpm.. and make it more BSR like ;)

Now putting my DTUK head back on, im pretty impressed with the comparison between the BSR and DTUK power graphs... :)

Maverick

29-03-2008, 20:47

I like your style Andy!!:D

ABYSS

29-03-2008, 20:50

I like your style Andy!!:D

Not bad for a butcher ;) :lol::lol:

Anyway, you should be coming to PVS with us Mr S ;)

Gadget

29-03-2008, 21:06

eXceed

29-03-2008, 21:39

I think if I didn't have the CRD2 I would have gone for BSR, and for insurance purposes I most likely will get a BSR system whilst im in nottingham or should that be notting"guns, car theft and violence"ham

Maverick

29-03-2008, 22:12

BSR 193 bhp 308 lbs T

CRD2 200.5bhp and 313.7lbft

Gadgets Green box 198.8 bhp 296 lbs T @ 50 deg C :o she is better in the cold :D

all very similar results BSR`s as i understand it can be changed though , will it give you more horses Mav ??

If I was to add exhausts etc, then yes BSR can adjust the map accordingly. You will see a slight dip on the torque graph at about 2400rpm on mine, BSR are going to take this out.

eXceed

29-03-2008, 22:35

Really sounds awesome... after i got an induction kit and intercooler I may consider it...

Maverick

30-03-2008, 12:10

Really sounds awesome... after i got an induction kit and intercooler I may consider it...

From what I have seen on the 1.9 CDTi 150, changing intercoolers does not make huge differences. We in the UK are a long way behind on the tuning stakes with diesels compared to Germany.

If you put on a front mounted and leave the original in place, it will make things worse for the water cooling.